The ideal woman body throughout history + dress form figures | Justine Leconte

What we believe to be the perfect woman body has changed tremendously throughout history along with the woman’s stages and her role in society. In 1720 in Western Europe, Women were supposed to have over proportionally wide hips and a large behind, which was achieved thanks to structures installed under the dresses, the other element of an aesthetically pleasing silhouette was a tiny waist The higher your social status, the thinner your waist had to be. The part of the torso below the rib cage was compressed to reach the ideal measurement of 17 inches, the waist of the queen of France, whose hairstyle was as ridiculously high as her waist was tiny. In the middle of the 19th century, A beautiful woman had fallen shoulders, her rib cage was compressed by a corset and her hips were wider than her shoulder line. This silhouette illustrates total absence of any physical activity. Towards 1890, shoulders go up, the compression of the waist is a bit lower and the hips are the wider than they were mid-century. The evolution of the ideal silhouette is in fact much more visible from the side, it’s a very large bust that the back can barely support The Spine is curved and generates tremendous back pain issues, the weight is in the bust and in the behind, which means a very unbalanced and healthy body. Around 1900 women start to loosen their corsets, which makes the body healthier in general. The start of the century also sees sports come into fashion. This corresponds to people longing for more freedom of movement, and this will remain a priority for the next hundred years. However, a large, decorated bust is still appreciated among upper class citizens 😉 In the 1920s, women reject corsets as well as the clothing rules of the previous century all together. The ideal silhouette is now long and lean, almost boyish. Women bind their breasts tight to flatten them out, and they wear boxy dresses that hide their feminine waists. Women can party, live alone, show their legs and wear outrageous makeup and shiny outfits. [TV narrator] She’s looking for a job that is, and she’s dressed for it, too. Tastefully, not expensively, the receptionist wears a smart wool dress with a zippered plunge neckline. She can see the pats pin-dot jersey, Peter pan collar and side-swept beret make her a likely candidate. [Justine] At the end of the war, women have been missing nice clothes and want to be able to look feminine again. They rush onto the new look offered by newcomer, Christian Dior. A natural fitted waist, exaggerated hips achieved by padding the clothes, and pointy breasts, up high on the torso. This is achieved by wearing a bra, the corset of the 20th century. Women are expected to care for their appearance and be exemplary housewives. In the 60s, the new Post-War generation initiates a shift towards a slightly more antregenious shillouette. Women now wear pants with a high waist and bell bottoms together, with Jersey tops and sweater that can stretch and can therefore be award fitted. The 60s silhouette is quite close to our ideal today. A sudden shift takes place in the 90s Kate moss and other new models have an extremely thin silhouette, are underweight and have virtually no curves. The ideal woman is supposed to look like those models from the grunge era. In the decade 2010 Curves are back in trend, but with a flat belly and a thigh gap. As the ideal silhouette is almost impossible to reach naturally, celebrities like Kim Kardashian and co., go back to wearing Corsets and are drawn to surgery to add volume to their breasts and their behinds. Now how do you think the ideal body will look like in ten years from now? Thumbs up if you enjoy this video, thank you. I’ll see you again on Wednesday and Sunday. Take care, bye!

100 thoughts on “The ideal woman body throughout history + dress form figures | Justine Leconte

  1. You missed the supermodel era of the eighties and early nineties (before Kate). Very healthy looking and strong. Cindy Crawford, Claudia Schiffer, Naomi Campbell etc.

  2. I have no idea what the ideal body will look like in 10 years. But I hope that someday every body will be seen as beautiful as long as it is healthy. I hope that the pressure on women to reach a specific form will fade and women can embrace their body as it is.

  3. I believe there won't be one ideal. I think we'll just enjoy variety and with new innovations fashion will go back to custom-made. I also think "fat-rolls" will become absolutely acceptable to show in media. Even at my leanest I had rolls and it's more taboo than cleavage.

  4. The future will be based on bringing the best out of everybody – aesthetic operations will be common practice and very affordable. With improving technology and medicine we won't be seeing people with issues that have been soul-wrecking to our elder generation such as crooked noses, unhealthy looking teeth (either crooked or non-white), and bone problems. Skin and hair issues will be mostly perfected. New hair dye to temporary dye your hair to any perfect hairshade will make bleach and hair damage extinct. People will be naturally slim due to plantbased diets (no animals will be consumed). Exercise won't be an issue anymore, with advanced equipment. Intellect will be high with compulsary high education (phd), which will be delivered online with augmented reality. So, the beauty of the future will be expected to have a lot of degrees. Life expentancy will go up to 120, so people won't be considered adults before 40, so looking young will be a priority. Work will be a lot more intellect based and people will be working anywhere in the world remotely. So, the beauty of the future will be expected to earn significant income and have a strong career. Hehehe, a bit too much to digest for many, but there you have it. Korea is ahead of most countries when it comes to beauty, just look at them to foresea the trends.

  5. Thank you for the video Justine! Always find it interesting how desired silhouettes change throughout the centuries! Wonder if we'll ever go back to the corset with new developments in fabric technology which have revolutionised the industry throughout the 20th century. Love your videos, can't wait for the next one!

  6. In the 90s I felt fat and was body shamed for having a large bottom and tiny waist. I was at the ideal weight but I always felt fat because I was so curvy. A size 7-8 at the top and 9-10 on the bottom. It was the era of the waif. Love her or hate her I am very grateful for Kim Kardashian who made it okay to be curvier. Finally a woman who dared to challenge the totalitarian rule of skinny in the media. I am grateful to her to see my type of body as acceptable. My students used to call me Kim lol.

  7. LOVE your videos and accent!! But do we (society) talk about men and how they should look? I don't get it. (Meant in a general way – not about your great video.)

  8. I hope to see a wider range of "ideal bodies", all of them healthy bodies, no matter how wide your hips or your butt or bust is…. Health is always a trend.

  9. I believe the silhouette to come strongly depends on geopolitics. So if the politics play out more conservative we will see more restrained silhouettes. Should it all go into more liberal ways we might see a bit more of baggy and flowy silhouettes.
    Then again depending on what general path culture takes we will see a twist influence into whatever is held up high in terms of visuality and taste.

  10. The funny part is that even when I was a lower weight, though still a healthy 80-90 pounds for my frame, I never had a thigh gap. I always hated that about myself. It's just because I have such a large butt and always have. Now I am about 110 pounds and sometimes I feel very fat, but I am just different and just as healthy version of myself. I am 5 feet even for reference with narrow hips, broad shoulders and a tendency to naturally look like the Twiggys and Kate Mosses of this world. Though I technically have a pear shape per my measurements. It's a struggle to keep weight on my body as it is constantly trying to burn it all off.
    I also need to add that corsets are NOT UNHEALTHY. And it is quite unfair of you to say such a thing. Corsetting the body and even waist training the waist down with a PROPER corset (not a kim kardashian latex waist cincher nonsense nonbreathable disgusting thing) is NOT unhealthy if done correctly and taken slowly. A proper corset is just like a good pair of shoes or bra, you must "break it in" or season it in, slowly over time to help the body adjust to such a change and wearing something so structured with negative ease.There are many women who have healthfully reduced their waist down to 17"-22" inches, one is even like 65 years old and has a doctor for a husband! Now there are also plenty of examples of women who try to go from a 25 inch waist to a 17 inch waist in a year who is bruising their ribs and doing very unhealthy things to their bodies. This is not the common case as most people will educate themselves before waist training and those that don't educate themselves never end up sticking with corsets because the find them "uncomfortable" because they didn't educate themselves enough to know what a well fitting corset should be. I myself trained down from a 30 inch waist to a 20 inch waist, and I was perfectly fine and healthy the whole time. Never happier in fact. Would love to pick it back up but corsetting with an already naturally small waist is much harder than with alot of fat on the waist.

  11. Yeah, Kim K got the ideas for her plastic body shape from REAL curvy women like Beyoncé, KiToy Johnson, and Jennifer Lopez – women who famous way before she ever came along.

  12. I just think those boxy dresses were hideous, I have never understood what people like about those xD, that being said. I think everyone should accept the form of their bodies while still being healthy.

  13. Kim Kardashian doesn't need to have surgery to obtain large body parts, she's Armenian. Of course she has had procedures done to enhance her attributes, but by no means was she missing anything. We actually didn't need to wear corsets to have a small waist whereas it was compulsory during a certain era for Western European women who absolutely (still) don't fit into this category. This is why it was so painful for them to achieve this silhouette.

  14. Oh I so hope it will be healthy and sporty without exaggeration natural bodies, with lots of different proportions ! Before Kate Moss I would have talked about the 90's models with their beautiful hourglass shape, Helena Christensen, Stephanie Seymour or Laetitia Casta in my opinion had the most beautiful bodies even though many people would quote Elle MacPherson I am not a fan. In the past years I would have mentioned Gisèle Bündchen, Karlie Kloss and the Victoria Secrets models, so skinny but with wonderbras to give them a little curves 😏 Aubade lingerie beand is also great to see the evolution of the last 20 years… I prefer a lot more the adds in the 90's and although many girls want to look like the H shape VS models of today, I think most of the guys still like more curves and hourglass shape

  15. Very unfortunately woman lost their femininity:they can't carry themselves gracefully and straight, they walk in manly manner, they dress far too casually (borderline boring), they don't look well groomed which is pity.
    My ideal women is Audrey Hepburn .
    However Sofia Loren's and Merelyn Monroe 's fitures make me envy

  16. Terrible isn't, such ridiculous expectations placed on women. IAM 63 and I don't care what the trends are or what people think, I dress leaning to the Bohemian side , it's comfortable, it's me. who says you need to dress a certain way at a certain age? Be confident in your own style

  17. I would like to see women healthy, not too lean and not too heavy. 5' 10 (177cm) and 117 pounds in simply not achievable for most women, especially when the average woman in the United States is 5' 4 (162 cm). I would like to see models closer to an average proportion.

  18. Wow, cultural anthropology, the feminine ‘ideal’ reflected in fashion! I hope that the future ideal is more realistic and in harmony with real human bodies and reflects respect for women as human beings.

  19. In our (American) politically correct culture, in ten years, I definitely imagine the ideal body will be gender neutral. No indication whether you're male or female.

  20. In pretty much all other aspects of culture we're gaining larger diversity because of the internet and now very many streams of media. We're not all watching the same shows anymore, we don't all want the same clothes. I think different sides of culture will develop their own ideal body, and we'll see many body types celebrated and shunned at the same time.

  21. I could not do sports, nor could I enjoy the freedom of movement that I appreciate so much without a bra. I am 1.63m tall (which is on the smaller side of medium height for a European woman), but have a perfect hourglass figure with a C cup 75cm circumference bra size – and my favourite sports are windsurfing, cross country cycling, hiking in the mountains and riding, all of which make a good sports bra essential because underwire bras just don't cut it. Which I found out years ago when I started to be more active in sports again, lost 10kg of excess weight and promptly got torn ligaments in both my breasts. Which was incredibly painful for several months. But it made me see a specialist, who told me that underwire bras and all other classic bras were for evening wear only in my case and that what I needed was some good, ergonomically designed sports bras. I found a wonderful range called "Anita" (no, I am not paid to advertise them, I just love their fit and style and how efficient they are, even as bikini tops when I go surfing), as well as a few bras for women recovering from surgery which also fit the bill, and have never looked back since, and would also highly recommend the same to all women who are well endowed and have similar problems with the current bras they are wearing. Proper sports bras (not those flimsy little lycra or cotton rags that give no support at all and which are often passed off as such) are definitely the way to go. So, burn my bra? Not in a million years! Nor do I see a good bra as a corset,but rather an aide and something that gives me more freedom in my life.

  22. The main takeaway for me is that the desire of the African woman body type is the start to all of this nonsense. No matter if you've got a big bottom, little waist, and large breasts or not. Or if you've got a box shape, hour glass, or slim on all sides shouldn't matter. All women and men should appreciate what The Creator has made them as which is the most beautiful because it's naturally you.

  23. This is not so accurate… you are forgetting the curvier silhouettes: the Sophia Loren and Silvana Mangano types, the Anita Ekberg etc era. Also, the end of the 80's and beginning of the 90's, just before the waife, grungy period that you mention is the time of extremely busty silhouettes and ladies with luscious features, such as Rosemary McGotha, Béatrice Dalle, and even pop music icons, think of the band Army of Lovers and the video of Crucified.

  24. Due to this extreme scrutiny and judgement of women's bodies, my natural shape was deemed acceptable for about 10 minutes when I was 14. Pfffft!!! * eye roll *

  25. The stupidity of fashion and the wisdom of French women. I stopped caring about fashion 😱years ago and wearing 👒what works for my body, lifestyle and mood. BLISS 🎉🥰👏🏻

  26. I feel like it will become more of a competition between a few dominating different body ideals. Because we are now in the time of globalization we are now experiencing a more diverse beauty ideals which may be dominant in certain ethnic/demographic/ social groups. It's quite interesting because I just read an article for University about the experience of the body in social, political and economic contexts (specifically in the Korean society). It also addresses how beauty standards are very much shaped by politics, economic processes (consumerism ) and technology… So, I think it will be very interesting to see how beauty ideals will change or diversify and compete.
    Also, this video somewhat helped me writing my review for the article. 😀 Thank you for the interesting video.

  27. I'd love it if the ideal body type is whatever you're born with, because it sucks having to chanhe your body to appeal to the male gaze, which seems to run everything

  28. I would've said that I think in 10 years a more curve less figure would become more popular… But I think the celebrities like the Kardashians will still have a hold as influences on the public. So unless they decide to change their looks it might stay popular for a while longer

  29. The corsets and stays weren't so tightly laced and uncomfortable (usually), that tiny waist and later pigeon breast were achieved by contrast, so for example hips were emphasized which made the waist seem tiny. And the curved back corset didn't cause "tremendous back pain", it was supportive and it didn't curve the back nearly as much as it seems, this effect was again achieved my padding the breast and the construction of blouses and dresses. Let's stop spreading the corset myths and misinformation

  30. Bought my very first tie-back corset. I plan to "encourage" my old body back to something that slightly resembles my original girly silhouette now that I am in the throws of perimenopause. I had gained a lot of weight and lost most of it again. I want to look nice and feel good about myself. The corset might actually aid in keeping me from eating too much again (better than surgery). I will also continue a regular exercise program to keep my core strong. There are several corset makers, except quality tight-lacing corsets can run into the high hundreds and thousands, so I chose a cheaper corset to begin with ($75). There's a whole corset culture out there I never even saw before. I can't even remember how I got into it or where I first noticed them, but I know cosplayers use them and many a movie star could not look like they do without them. I'm jumping on the bandwagon. 😁

    Vollers Corsets (UK) have been in business for over 100 yrs. Corsets, whether in the form of back braces or shape-shifters, never left. We simply aren't looking.

  31. History repeats itself: Just as in the 1st part of the 19th c. fashion referenced the 18th c. and in the 2nd it reflected tastes and elements of mideval times or greecian (i.e. empire waists plus other elements paired with moderate hoop skirts).
    Heading into the 2020ies, I'd say many references to the pre-existing tastes in fashion will, and already have, be/en mixed and run alongside each other.

    I enjoy your videos a great deal!
    Could you make a video on the French perception of fashion in the 18th c., please?
    I've always woundered how a caraco jacket could be referred to as a 《pet en l'air》 (as sack version, that is) when this term seems rather vulgar but was socially accepted so well.


  32. I see be a tremendous boom 10 years from now for all the plastic surgeons… They’ll be very busy removing all the fake breasts and butt implants.

  33. Since I'm watchin this in the 2019,the ideal body hasn't really changed from 2010s. But nowadays, you have to be sporty, muscles everywhere, huge muscular butt huge breasts, so to approach it you have to take supplement that can easily break your metabolism…

  34. I have the body type of those who I admire the most yet I’m still not satisfied with myself. It doesn’t matter how you look you criticize yourself the most. Fully accepting and loving yourself is the skill most of us have yet to master. I feel the pressure to change and fit in today’s beauty standard but I’m scared to lose what I already have, to lose what I find beautiful and perfect… That’s really the saddest part, I would throw away what I love because the world doesn’t love it as well.

  35. As an African, the ideal female body has never changed
    It has always been curvy with a health well shaped behind and small waist and lush lips which comes naturally to us anyway 🤷‍♀️😂🤣

  36. No matter what fashion says – when you're naked, the "ideal body" is always healthy and lower-normal-weight. From the Venus de Milo to present-day. Fashion is only the wrapper 🙂

  37. I love this video! As someone who loves historical sewing vlogs, this is such a beautiful thing to see explained

  38. Now we have the catalog of shapes, we can choose what era we are in :)). I have the 1890 shape with not too big breast. I have issues with my back curve when wearing backless clothes. So you have any suggestion ??

  39. You are the best Justine. Your videos are great and empowering, informative and fun to watch. I hope for diversity in the future because there will be people left behind as unattractive just because they don't for the beauty standards. Meanwhile there are beautiful ladies like Taylor Swift and Scarjo, different but gorgeous in their own way

  40. Hippies will be back in fashion in ten years. So, lean women. As everyone will be rebelling against all the medical problems their grandparents and parents are going to have come then as a result of all the surgery, tanning and bleaching. Also because the enviromentally friendly and natural living all round is becoming more popular.
    I met one elderly lady that lamented her implants because one of them tore out of the side of her breast and another who's face melted in the Summer sun and reset in the cool of the evening so, she was left with a mould of her hand print on her cheek. Until then, I didn't even know that could happen!

  41. I like the 20s silhouette, I might me biased because of ballet making me see a smaller bust as the ‘ideal’ but I do think the 20s lean silhouette is a rather elegant look

  42. Hopefully, In ten years the standard will be a healthy, strong body that remains in whatever one's natural shape is. I say, dress according to your own creativity.

  43. I really hope in 10 years time the desirable body will be healthy. Thats all. No surgery, no "unbalanced" or "unproportional" bodies, no over eating, no starving. Just the right amount of exercise and the right nutrition suited for each individual.

  44. A sudden change in fashion and body expectations from time to time are needed to raise profits for industries because imagine they stay the same, people wouldn't feel the need to pay lots of money for the new trends… Hopefully more brain cells will be the trend in 10 years. But no being dumb and following society's expectations is good for the market…..

  45. Okay so I'm not saying that their is a perfect body type but surely if your overweight you need to loose it not to look good for other people but to feel healthier and stronger same with people who are underweight they would want to add more but we cant even be concerned for people any mkre or we are seen as mean or a discriminating person but in actual fact we are trying to help u be the best u

  46. Hope the next standard is no standard and to achieve one's own health body and be happy with its healthy natural weight.

  47. right now the trend is no judgment and ecxeptence…………however the ideal body is an Instagram fitness model

  48. 1800- we wear corsets to make us skinny
    2000+ we have people cut us up and stick foreign substances in our body to make our bust larger.
    oh the progression we have made over the years.

  49. I think that the ideal body should be a healthy body. A body that treats itself right by eating healthy foods and doing a decent amount of exercise. We should not encourage overweight, underweight, or unrealistic body types. Strive to be your healthiest self, physically and mentally.

  50. I hope in ten years time every body shape women are born with is okay and social pressure to fit an ideal body type will be no longer valid 🤷🏻‍♀️

  51. For me the ideal body's must have the proportional line's like Venues of Milos. I hope i writing correct )))))

  52. When I was in junior high and high school, in the mid to late 70's, a girl with a big "booty" and disproportionately wide hips had to hide in shame. She was made fun of and no man would talk to her. Now, those same massive hips and booties are in style.

  53. I wish that flat, thin but slightly muscular bodies were fashionable
    that way I wouldn't have to change anything to be trendy
    not that I'll try changing anything now XD

  54. I don't know what the ideal body would look like in 10 years, but I certainly believe that the ideal body in all eras should be the healthy version of each person's own body .

  55. I would like to have sources on the '17 inch waist' idea, I think.

    A lot of the early 'tightlacing' caricatures seem to me to be c. 1770s (hence why they are also lampooning the high hairstyles) so I question when exactly the trend became popular enough that cartoonists got hold of it- and if they exaggerate the hairstyles that much, I'm not sure how much I should believe their take of tightlacing either.

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